Curse

Mayar third Keeper · Jun 30, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Yes the WaW is not good.
- The number of people in each continent (btw Korea = continent???) are unbalanced
- GW is a Fantasy Game wth do we need a RL reference in a fantasy game?
- what many have considered befor: ist caus racism and nationalism

And here is my question: Why didnt they thought of ingame names for the groups?
Why dont split the Server location question from the ingame WaW system?

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 30, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

It had only a small effect, even if we weren't competing, i guarentee that the racists (Actually more then likely not racists... just stupid little kids with moronic minds) would still be the same way.

Although they wouldnt get a chance to state it as much... the blatant truth is; Human beings are patheticly stupid.

It places them on that on going list... Non-racists racism, Non-sexists sex remarks... ect ect... Not to mention Americans have nearly the lowest school standards anywhere... But that's a whole other subject...

(just for those that point me out by my account name, i am American, born in, and loving it... just not the people (but, we can't inforce the documents that started the country **Of course...**)

Drakron · Jun 30, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

What you see is simply people being anoyed as being denied access to maps for the simple reason they are in the wrong server.

If europe had favor for more that 10 hours per week I doubt people care, the problem exists because ArenaNet decided to use something most players have not control over (favor) to give access to the two bonus map.

Ensign · Jun 30, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

A lot of people are real turds. The internet is an environment where they can be themselves without getting hit. I generally interpret their behavior as a sign that they're incredibly uncomfortable with their lives, which would be sympathetic if they weren't doing their best to be the most unsympathetic figures possible.

Unless they want to start temp-banning people for bad behavior, I don't see this changing. Give people the opportunity to be an idiot in front of an audience, and they'll take it, every time.

Oh, WaW is entirely secondary. It's just another convenient reminder to your average turd to ham it up.

Peace,
-CxE

Navaros · Jun 30, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Guild Wars has the word Wars in the title

wars are all about killing other people and committing all kinds of atrocities

anyone who does not have the stomach for seeing a few bad text words in a video game should not be playing a game with the word Wars in the title

PieXags · Jun 30, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

I just know that whenever I go to the temple of ages to see who has favor, if we don't, I see loads of rascist and hateful remarks made towards whichever region has favor.

ether · Jun 30, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Nationalism is poison

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 30, 2005, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Guild Wars has the word Wars in the title

wars are all about killing other people and committing all kinds of atrocities

anyone who does not have the stomach for seeing a few bad text words in a video game should not be playing a game with the word Wars in the title

The game is however... rated "Teen" on its selling box... I don't quite know how pathetic those ratings are... but i think if they saw how it's played... it might be a bit different...

Anybody else find it funny how it states "Game experience may change during online play" under the rating... when this is an online only game...

Khift · Jun 30, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I play on the American servers with a guild comprised of American and Canadian citizens. Our guild has shown some "racist" remarks several times -- but I've yet to see or even think of anything worse than "____ Koreans." We make jokes about it too; if anyone asks how to get to the Hall of Heroes, we respond, "Well, first, you've gotta kill alot of Koreans..." Any massive group of mobs up ahead has the potential to become Korea itself. "Come on guys, the path is this way. I don't want to go through all of Korea again."

Quite frankly, it's harmless. The Koreans are a group of people we love to hate. They're crazy about competitive games, and it's no surprise that they took to Guild Wars so fast and so hard. The general consensus is that the average Korean could outperform the average American at a game any day. (Note: This is just the general feel. I have no way of backing up this up.) I mean, hell, Korean television has it's own flipping Starcraft channel!

Do I hate 'em? Yeah, a bit. Do I respect 'em? You bet. Would I kick their ass if I could? Hell yes. Is this a bad thing? Not really.

The way I see it, the WaW engine is an excellent way of getting a playerbase up in arms. Seeing Korea win in Tombs repeatedly makes me want to go do something about it. And if the Korean response after they lose favor is any measure, it seems like they have the same feelings. (Several times, I've watched America get favor, and then the next five games are Korean wins, and we lose favor in an hour of having got it.)

Does it suck for Europe? Yeah, I'll bet it kinda does. But it seems to me that the response shouldn't be, "Ah, screw it, I'm never gonna get into the Underworld or Fissure," no, it should make you want to go kick some butt in Tombs. If racist slurs add to your frenzy, go on ahead and use them.

I'll be concerned when this competitive system brings about something worse than just hurt feelings.

Aniewiel · Jun 30, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether

Nationalism is poison

Well, let's not go quite THAT far. The world will end and there will be nationalistic tendencies up to the last second. It is human nature plain and simple. There will always be dominant groups/nations, etc. Nationalism is great in its proper perspective.

The EU's failure is a grand example of the power of nationalism. The notion of One World is ludicrous and silly. It will -never- happen. That said, it is possible for people and nations to get along and it's healthy to have competition whether it's in school, sports or between nations.

Drakron · Jun 30, 2005, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khift

... Does it suck for Europe? Yeah, I'll bet it kinda does. But it seems to me that the response shouldn't be, "Ah, screw it, I'm never gonna get into the Underworld or Fissure," no, it should make you want to go kick some butt in Tombs. If racist slurs add to your frenzy, go on ahead and use them.

The response is:

Edit Account

Change Territory.

Next.

America.

As a PvE player I tried Tombs but unless you are in a Guild and dedicated to PvP there is no point to get there (expecialy now) since PUG only goes as far and lossing over and over again for no reward is no fun for players.

Faelu · Jun 30, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Im fairly certain Arenanet got the idea for worlds at war from Dark Age of Camelot and the dungeon in that game called Darkness Falls. They are practically the same thing, in DAoC darkness falls was owned by the realm who owned the most keeps in RvR....and you all know how it works in GW.

So...my theory is that GW wanted this sort of pvp system sooo bad that they had to substitute the realms for something else...and that was the continents. The only way this "racism problem" could be solved is by changing the continents into something more like DAoC's 3 realms.

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 30, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I think you are over reacting, or I must be really lucky, as the worst I have seen is,
a, players cursing each other in towns, ' your a noob, no your are etc'
b, in a group i was inform 'afk brb going for a poo', way tooo much info.
and the most annoying was,
c, one guy boosting how he could solo area, refused to help the group with the mission and insisted on calling everybody noobs and that he was god and had 1000 plat, immaturity and arrogance at its best.

By far the worst is actually out of game on these very forums, people bitching at each other, trying to get one over on each other as though it was a competition.

Fact is there will always be a few idiots, why let them spoil the game for the rest of us.

Example of what I mean.

Idiot uses bot, thinks its cool to have 1000 plat. Game devs see this as exploit, ban players they find doing it, but also alter game so that it cannot be done. This was what most people on this forum and many other forums screamed about, screamed nerf, I can't farm etc etc. Some of the screamers where the bot users, the majority where just joe bloggs who enjoyed finding loot, exploring areas.
Simply put don't let idiots spoil the fun for others, report them.
If everyone reported the idiots, A.net would have a list of people fairly fast, and they could deal with people that have been reported multiply times as needed.

Vermilion Okeanos · Jun 30, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

It just so happen these disrespectful people yell the loudest...

There are black sheeps in every family... and same thing apply reversed.

Firax · Jun 30, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I like the concept of WaW, but I agree the way things are split up isn't good. I'd think it would have been better if they had set teams based on GW gods, GW world regions (Go Kryta!), or even just colors. (Gold team for the Win!) However, they end up seperating things by language anyways; Chances are one team will be favored by Koreans, another by Americans, and another by everyone else...

Maybe Anet just thought to themselves; Let's just cut out all pretense and use real world regions.

Just alittle food for thought.

~Firax

ManadartheHealer · Jul 01, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether

Nationalism is poison

Quoted because it is a sad truth that nobody realizes

Zelc · Jul 01, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether

Nationalism is poison

Slight but IMO important nitpick: this should read "Extreme nationalism is poison." Reasonable levels of nationalism is healthy. Nationalism gives nations and their citizens the drive to better themselves in relation to the other nations in the world. For example, Ghandi's beliefs are arguably the product of nationalism, and they're admired worldwide today.

However, extreme nationalism (like extreme everything else including religion) promotes hatred, which in turn promotes conflict.

Perhaps it would be better stated as "Intolerance is poison."

Evan The Cursed · Jul 01, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I would say mild levels of nationalism. Even moderate levels can be poisonous. I mean the whole concept is an irrational level of pride in an abstract concept which owes no fealty to you; and holds absolutely no defining characteristics other than that the members of the nation happen to be living on the same abstractly-bordered piece of land. Differences in race, ideology, etc. are not defined by nation in the slightest.

The whole thing is just utterly irrational.

Sekkira · Jul 01, 2005, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Heh, I love Koreans. When I see them on the opposite side of the battlefield, I smile inside because I know that there is a challange just over there, coming at us. Something that pushes you and your team to their limits and hopefully beyond to show who is truely more skilled or prepared.

I've taken out a lot of Koreans in my time, I've also been taken out by a lot as well. They really are a truely competetive nation which I deem very worth opponents. America is about on par with this competetive spirit and skill, so facing them is also something of a challange (even so, I have it subconciously respecting the Korean teams a lot more). Europe though is disappointing. I don't know why there is a complete lack of competition, skill or whatnot. It would have been really nice if they could compete up there with the two giants the US and Korea are.

funbun · Jul 01, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

We all have pride in our nations and countries. Saying that these Favor of the Gods battles are causing racisim is like saying the World Cup Soccer causes racisim between England and Spain. Or that The SuperBowl here in the States causes racism between the opposing team's respective States.

Are you saying having pride in one's country and nation is racisim? If that's the case then all humans should DIE and oxygen should rule the Earth.

Another thought: a game cannot cause racisim. Racisim already exists and had been on Earth since Cane took and evil eye at Able. No one can cause Racism. It exists because the human race is fundamentaly flawed.